细语人生 – 天外有天-记武术大师李有甫先生的人生传奇（上集）
[Whispers of Life ] The Legend of Kung Fu Master Li Youfu (part 1)
Dear viewers, the Chinese martial arts go back to ancient times, such as the renowned southern fists and northern legs martial arts division, which are martial arts schools that originated in the Shaolin Monastery and Wudang Mountain, and belong to the Kung Fu martial arts.
The essence and conception of Chinese Kung Fu can’t be easily understood by martial arts non-practitioners. “Behind one minute on stage is ten years of practice” clearly delineates the hardship endured by the practitioners.
Today, we have with us a Kung Fu master, a celebrity in martial arts and qigong circles. He not only has remarkable martial arts skills, but has also made great effort with theoretical studies into the subject matter. He also is a well-known expert in the fields of Chinese medicine. He is Mr. Li Youfu.
Mr. Li started to practice martial arts at an early age. During the Cultural Revolution, while still in secondary school, Li secretly looked for a master to learn martial arts. During this rarely experienced cultural catastrophe, Li studied and practiced diligently, and laid a solid foundation in the area of his interests. Under the guidance of great teachers, Li learned about different types of Chinese boxing and about martial arts weapons. He had won first prize in many national martial arts competitions. In 1984, as a martial arts graduate student from the Shanxi University, Li was among the first in China to obtain a Masters Degree in martial arts.
Yu Xin: Hello Mr. Li Youfu. You are well known in martial arts circles. How does it make you feel being the chair of the panel of judges, selected for the International Chinese Traditional Martial Arts Competition organized by the New Tang Dynasty Television (NTDTV)?
Li Youfu: Please, do not call me Master. I think I merely have some experience in this discipline. I think that traditional Chinese martial art is very profound and is highly significant. I lived in Mainland China for many years and I was involved in several martial arts tournaments. In my believe, a completely new global Chinese traditional martial arts competition is not something an ordinary person can organize, as it is based on the true tradition. The competition aims to promote Chinese culture and display true martial art values to the world. It clearly understood that moral is at the fundament of martial arts. It is without doubt true that without martial arts morals, ones skills will not improve. Today, as the competition is over, I feel it is a great success, and everyone is very excited.
Yu: Yes, I saw that it was a truly grand occasion. It is out pleasure to have you here with us and have you share your personal experience with martial arts.
Li: Thank you!
Yu: I heard that you have practiced in many schools of martial arts, such as knife, spear, and swords, Eight Trigrams Palm, and Tai Chi Chuan. Could you tell us about it?
Li: Sure. Martial Arts is composed of two major forms, the internal and external martial art. Then there are a variety of martial arts weapons, actually eighteen kinds of weapons. I first practiced external martial art, such as Cha Chuan and Shaolin Chuan..
Yu: I read reports that you are an expert in whip rod martial art. In the 1982 National Sports Competition, you amazed the audience with your whip rod skills, and won the championship. What kind of martial art is the whip rod?
Li: Whip rod is a piece of rod about a thumb thick. The thinner end is as thick as a thumb, and the thicker end is a bit thicker than the root of a small tree. It is about 1.3 meter long, which is about as tall as the elbow height of a standing person. Whip rod actions are similar to knife, spear, stick and sword actions.
It is said to have originated in the late Ming Dynasty. A general fought against the Qing soldiers. After the demise of Ming, he lived in seclusion in a temple on Wutai Mountain, probably called Longquan Temple at the time and became a monk. At the time, monks were not allowed to carry a knife, sword or spear. But he wanted to pass down his martial art skills, so he used a stick.
Yu: No killing.
Li: He stopped violence. It is not used to kill people, he used the stick to stop you, knock your weapon down or force you to put down your weapon.
Yu: it is a weapon for self-defense.
Li: Yes, this is the martial arts moral behavior. He first taught some people and then young monks. Young monks practiced diligently and recorded all the teachings. A monk called Jiaolun practiced very well and taught two more people. One was Ren Ji and the other Li Chunfang. They both became famous. Then, Ren Ji taught Zhang Hanzhi.
Yu: There is a story behind every weapon used in martial arts. You know many weapons, but cannot talk about them all here. The whip rod also has such a story behind it, who was your teacher?
Li: Mr. Chen Shengfu, the Martial Arts Professor and the head of the sports department at Shanxi University,. He went to Shanxi to be the chairman of the Martial Arts Association. He came originally from Shandong Province. When doing research in martial arts, he found the whip rod to be very unique. Alas, the whip rod master Zhang Hanzhi did not teach in the public or choose student casually. Therefore, Mr. Chen contacted him. Mr. Zhang found Chen to be a good person and can be taught, so he taught Chen all his whip rod methods.
After completing his training, Mr. Chen demonstrated his whip rod skills during a sports conference in Northern China. He won praise from the audience but did not win the national championship until older. During the Cultural Revolution, I met him by chance. I looked up to him as my teacher and learned my whip rod skills from him.
Yu: I heard you had two renowned teachers teaching you Kung Fu. Master Chen is one of them. Can you briefly talk about how you decided to go into martial arts?
Li: I chose to learn martial arts because at the time I was in the countryside in Hebei Province, East of Beijing. As a teenager I lived during the Great Famine. Many people starved to death. We had only one bowl of Chinese rice gruel a day to keep us alive.
Yu: When was that?
Li: From 1959 to 1960, after 1958. 1958 was the Great Leap Forward, people had to eat in the “big pot system”. By 1959, we were only given Chinese rice gruel. People were arranged in production teams and each person received this bowl of food.
Yu: What is the “big pot system”?
Li: They smashed the pots in every household and took them to make iron and steel. They even took the kitchen knives away. Without the kitchen knife and pots, we could no longer cook.
Yu: So no pots or pans were left at home? So everybody had to eat in the “big pot system”?
Li: It was said to be communism, people all came together to eat as a group. But when we got there, each person could only get one bowl food. The gruel congee was so thin that we should just call it water!
Yu Xin: Everyone had three meals a day with everyone else.
Youfu Li: Exactly. No one could eat it. It’s hard to say what the “food” was made of. I was starving, so I read martial arts novels and hoped I could become one of the heroes in the stories. This way, I forgot about hunger and wanted to practice martial arts and be good at playing knives or swords.
If I made it, I would be able to punish those communist leaders who oppressed the general public. They could make anyone starve to death by not giving you watery rice.
I knew a communist, nicknamed “Spot Chopstick,” from a rural production team. He was very short, with many spots all over his face. He was very evil. He didn’t give you food by crossing out your name with a chopstick, as if you had already taken food. He could do this to anyone.
Yu Xin: Not even watery rice.
Youfu Li: I witnessed many people dying from malnutrition. It was so real. Many died on the sidewalk, so I wanted to practice martial arts to punish him.
Yu Xin: You had a wish. How did you find the first teacher?
Youfu Li: My first teacher, Chen, was the father of my secondary school classmate. My classmate practiced martial arts and told me his dad was very good at it, able to fly above houses and walk on walls. Then, we became brothers and his dad treated us the same way and taught both of us.
At that time, he taught us leg crossing of Cha Fist Fight and Chinese wrestling. This is how I began to practice martial arts. After that, I went to Shanxi to learn from another Mr. Chen.
Yu Xin: Was the “Spot Chopstick” beaten up?
Youfu Li: My teachers told me to have high moral standards, not to be involved in fights, so I didn’t beat him. But still, he was severely punished and died young while digging air-raid shelters. The shelter collapsed and he died inside.
No one tried to rescue him, as he was evil, although he was screaming and crying for help. He received a harsh punishment, so martial arts practitioners did not need to hit him.
Yu Xin: One of your stories was about rescuing a classmate, like a hero, when you were a fledgling in martial arts.
Youfu Li: I had no choice. When the Cultural Revolution just started, some of my classmates went to play at another school and were surrounded and beaten by some bullies. I still don’t know why. A classmate looked for me and asked me to save their lives.
I thought I must help rescuing them though they all had guns and I was alone. Dozens of them surrounded my classmates, hitting their heads and faces like crazy.
I said, “You should not knock them down,” so they walked towards me, and were about to fight with me. At that time, I was only 20 and not afraid of anything. I used my martial arts skills and kicked them. Some of them tried to use their guns and I knocked them down. Then, all of them came to fight with me and I ran away.
My teacher educated me well, asking me not to hurt others. One guy came up to punch me; I pushed his fist away and put my fist in his face, but did not hit him. Then, he let me off. They all had guns and fired at me, but did not hit me. I ran over a wall and left.
Yu Xin: Finally, martial arts came in handy. We mentioned earlier that two of your teachers were both martial arts experts.
Youfu Li: The first was Shengfu Chen.
Yu Xin: The one that taught you whipping stick. The second was…?
Youfu Li: Master Jisheng Chen
Yu Xin: When did you start learning from them?
Youfu Li: I met the first during the Cultural Revolution. At that time, I practiced martial arts with classmates. I learned from them. The son of a Communist Party secretary at Shanxi University also practiced.
I didn’t know who he was. During the Cultural Revolution, some leaders, principals, secretaries, and deans suffered. And, his father lost his freedom and was imprisoned.
I asked for the name of his teacher. He said he was with the Kung Fu Professor, Shengfu Chen, at Shanxi University. I responded that this was awesome and asked if I could learn from him and if he could introduce me to him. He agreed.
During the Cultural Revolution, many people such as deans, professors, and academic experts, including his dad, were nicknamed “Ghosts of Cattle and Gods of Snake”. And, all of them were locked in a room called “Shelter for Cattle”.
Yu Xin: To live with cattle?
Youfu Li: There were no cattle.
Yu Xin: No “Shelter for Cattle”?
Youfu Li: The Cultural Revolution wanted to torture people with “problems” and called them “Ghosts of Cattle and Gods of Snake”. Actually, all of them were good people.
Yu Xin: The good people were nicknamed.
Li Fu: They lost their freedom. That’s why the room was called “Shelter for Cattle”. The son of a Communist Party secretary brought me there. And, the guard let me in because I was a kid of only 18 at that time.
Yu Xin: Master Chen was kept there.
Youfu Li: He was writing a confession letter. At that time, he was almost 70 and his hair turned white. After being introduced, I said I hoped to learn martial arts from him.
Yu Xin: At that time, the teacher was locked up in the “Shelter for Cattle”, was he allowed to teach his disciples?
Youfu Li: He usually taught in the morning, and his jailers had not gotten up yet.
Yu Xin: Those would scold and beat him had not come yet.
Youfu Li: Exactly. He said he must keep practicing martial arts. Then, he told me something that had nothing to do with martial arts, words of Mencius, “God will ask this man to do something significant and challenging. Before that, God would make him suffer mentally and physically……” and so on.
Yu Xin: These are some principles that one should follow in life.
Youfu Li: Yes. He let me practice things that I used to do. He said my approach was wrong, and I should be relaxed when practicing martial arts, not using my energy. What he taught me was totally different. At the same time, he started teaching me Long Fist Fight and Little-flower Fist Fight. Also, I saw someone doing this. This is a good sign; someone learned it after I had practiced it. After that, I practiced the arts of knives and swords, Bagua Palm Fight, and whipping stick.
Yu Xin: I read your story that says you only learned one type of fist fight during a period of ten years. What did he teach you?
Youfu Li: First, I learned one set of Little-flower Fist Fight for ten years.
Yu Xin: Why so long?
Youfu Li: At that time, some disciples were practicing for a few days, and he praised all of them for their quick improvement.
I practice very hard for many years, and yet he did not praise me. I asked him if I was on the right track. He responded that I had a lot to improve and must work very hard. He taught with all his heart.
Yu Xin: He probably wanted you to be very good.
Youfu Li: Maybe.
Yu Xin: Like many self-cultivation stories in the past, the master would be stricter with the disciple whom he had picked.
Youfu Li: Perhaps. He then trained me for a decade and I improved a lot in this set of fist fight.
Yu Xin: Practicing one set for a decade. When did you learn other martial arts then?
Youfu Li: Because I learned quickly and worked very hard for a decade almost without any breaks, he then taught me lots of things. He asked what I wanted to learn and taught me everything. I was surprised that he taught me all the fist-fights.
Yu Xin: He taught you so much every day. How many hours did you practice every day? Did you have to work extremely hard?
Youfu Li: After his two-hour training in the morning, I came back to repeat his teaching for one or two hours!
Yu Xin: To perform on stage for one minute, one has to practice for one decade, as the old saying goes.
Youfu Li: Absolutely.
Yu Xin: Working very, very hard. You learned so much under the first teacher’s guidance.
Youfu Li: Most of what I learned from him was a few sets of Long Fist Fight, Little-flower Fist Fight, Digong Fist Fight, knives, lances, swords, and sticks. He focused on teaching me whipping stick, which later became popular among the general public. Most people considered using a weapon as important.
Yu Xin: The more you can bear, the more you will get. Your first teacher is Shengfu Chen. When did you start with the second teacher?
Youfu Li: That was after the Cultural Revolution. In 1980, there was a National Conference of Traditional Martial Arts in Taiyuan of Shanxi province. I worked in the jury department, and my teacher was the President of the jury. At that time, Jisheng Chen also regained freedom after the Cultural Revolution, so he went to the Conference. The two elderly men were brothers.
Yu Xin: Martial arts experts.
Youfu Li: In the past, if two martial arts practitioners had a lot in common, both felt the other was excellent in martial arts and was a nice person, they would become brothers for ever. Five of them became brothers for ever, my teacher, Shengfu Chen, was his second elder brother, Jisheng Chen was No. 3. All the rest had been champions years ago, such as champion in Shandong province, national champion, and runner-up.
Yuxin: I think you are also very lucky.
Li Youpu: These people could not even touch Master Chen Jishen during a Wushu contest , nor were they able to hit his body. They were all aware that he had real martial arts skills. Those people all had their good martial arts movements, and they could win the championship if they participated in martial contests. They had good martial arts skills but they could not touch him. They all knew this Master Chen Jisheng was great.
Yuxin: That is very great.
Li Youpu: His Taiji was very high level.
Yuxin: What kind of Gongfu did Master Chen Jisheng teach you?
Li Youpu: He did not teach me yet. It is Master Chen Shengpu talked to him for two hours. He did not teach students. Ever since the Cultural Revolution, he did not casually teach students. He said he was afraid that nowadays they might use it to assault people. You see he paid close attention to the virtues of martial arts.
Yuxin: It is the Master who looks for his students.
Li Youpu: Master Chen Shengpu talked to him about me for two hours and how over the dozen of years I learned from him. What he meant was that I had passed the test. That is to say after so many years observation, he thought that I was not bad.
Yuxin: Didn’t he think that he parted reluctantly with what he treasured and introduced his best student to him.
Li Youpu: They did not have that notion. I was curious for the other masters would feel that their student would later on would become someone else’s student after they had trained them for quite a while, but later on he became famous when he became someone else’ student. He did not have that notion.
He felt that you could improve. My two masters treated students the same way. In treating the students, they believed that it was my purpose to train you and improve you. So, for the genuine teacher and master, they are like this. I feel this way more and more often.
So later on Master Chen Jisheng told me, “Your teacher told me all about your marital arts training in detail. Then I decided to teach you. It is not that I accept a student casually.”
He taught me Taiji. I learned his Taiji, I learned several different types of Taiji from Masters Chen Shengpu and others for over a dozen years. I practiced and looked not bad, and compared to them, I was not a bad one. But?
Yuxin: So his is even higher level.
Li Youpu: He is very high level. After practicing his Taiji, I felt as if I had not even learned the rudiments of Taiji.
Yuxin: What made him so different?
Li Youpu: After practicing it, physically I had a very strong feeling. After good practice, I felt strong energy. I felt very comfortable physically after practicing it. I said the martial arts could also give this. At the same time, I started to learn from him Taiji, the 108 forms of Taiji.
Yuxin: Was this also handed down as a closely guarded secret?
Li Youpu: He handed it down in a proper way. He would choose students. He paid more attention to virtues in teaching students. Also there was the Eight Trigrams Palm. Later on I also learned from him Yousheng Eight Trigrams, and his maze palm. He was getting more and more open with me. He felt that he could still teach me. So I was also very lucky. These two masters taught me without reservation. I feel very grateful. Later on he trained me more and more, and I paid more attention. He taught me Yousheng Eight Trigrams, Maze Palm, he taught me how to touch the vital points. I replied that the touching of the vital points might hurt people, and I did not want to learn. He said that it was weird that how come you did not want to learn this? For the other students they wanted to learn this all their lives. I said I wanted to help people instead of hurting people.
Yuxin: Instead of hurting people.
Li Youpu: He was even more willing to teach me. He said you were right. He taught me how to touch the vital points and also how to undo the touching as well. I used the method of undoing the touching taught to me by the master to see if someone was injured and could not move, I would apply the method of undoing the touching to save them.
Yuxin: So it can save people.
Li Youpu: I also had learned some ways of touching and undo the touching before he taught me. But his method was even high level.
Yuxin: It regret to not see your performance at the Martial Arts Competition. Also when you were practicing the martial arts, there was one thing very regretful. That is one of your masters wanted to pass down something very secret to you before he died.
Li Youpu: There was in deed such a thing. That is before Master Chen Jisheng died, he wanted to pass on some secrets. He asked people to call me. But, I could not go because of my job at Shanxi University. As a result, when he passed away, he told his youngest son, that if I couldn’t come, all these things would become lost. Later on when I heard about it, I was very sad.
Yuxin: For someone to be your Master for one day, he would be the same as good as your father all your life. It is really a regretful thing. That is to say that he did not pass the secret to his son but instead he wanted to pass it to you.
Li Youpu: When I heard about this situation, I was not very clear about other things, I was very touched, and I felt sad for quite some time. Later, I improved. Then, I also pursued cultivation. After some time, I thought that some people would use force in doing martial arts. They wanted to control people. They felt that martial arts were just like that. Later on I discovered that it was not like this. Human beings need to cultivate. I have been thinking of this question.
Yuxin: When the Master looks for his students, he also pays close attention to your moral behaviors and virtues before he teaches you anything. What we talked about, Mr. Li Youpu experienced on his way to become a martial arts master.
I believe time is up for our program today. In the future we will talk about how Master Li Youpu became the Master of Martial Arts.
Mr. Li also have a title that is associate researcher of China Human Body Science Research Center. We will talk about how Mr. Li Youpu became a well-known person in the Chinese medicine field and also a very famous Chinese medicine practitioner and Chinese medicine Ph.D? We will have Mr. Li Youpu tell us his experience in our next program. Thank you very much audience for watching our program and we will see you next time.
Yu Xin: Dear viewers, today we will continue our interview with Mr. Li Youfu,
the renowned martial arts and Qigong master, and a Chinese medicine expert.
During our last program, we spoke about how Mr. Li learned martial arts
and how he became a martial arts master with the guidance of Masters Chen
Shengfu and Chen Jisheng. Today, we will explore other phases of Mr. Liós
Narrator: It may not come as a surprise that relying on oneós innate quality
and hard work, given the opportunity, a person can become a martial arts
master. However if a person not only is a martial arts master, but also
possesses supernormal abilities and superb medical skills that allow one
to cure illnesses, it would truly be amazing.
Yu Xin: Hello Mr. Li Youfu. We just gave a short overview of what we discussed
during our last interview. Now, we look at other facets of your life. How
did you obtain a Masters degree in Qigong? When did this happen?
Li Youfu: After the Cultural Revolution, college entrance examinations were
restored in 1977. Chinese people had lost the opportunity to attain higher-level
education during the Cultural Revolution for over 10 years. That time I
was at a school age. Though I learned many things on my own, such as traditional
Chinese medicine and
Yu Xin: Amazing!
Li Youfu: To study on ones own is a difficult process. I studied hard day
and night. After three years, I was granted admission into the Shanxi University
graduate program of martial arts, taught by martial arts professor Chen
Yu Xin: Wow, your teacher was teaching there at that time.
Li Youfu: He was the head of the department, and had his professor title
restored by that time. I was admitted in 1981 into the martial arts graduate
program. In 82, a national sports competition was held in Hohhot of Inner
Mongolia. There was a demonstration of classical martial arts and associated
with it a contest. I won the martial arts championship using the whip rod
that Master Chen had taught me.
Yu Xin: You have told us that you studied hard on your own to achieve competency
in martial arts, and later you were admitted into the martial arts Masters
Degree program. Then, when did you change discipline and study traditional
Chinese medicine? We understand that you own a clinic in Los Angeles, and
you are a university professor.
Li Youfu: Yes, I have a clinic in Los Angeles. I treat patients and I was
granted a California license. I also am owner of an herb center, which allows
me to remove impurities of traditional Chinese medicine that had developed
over the centuries.
Yu Xin: You developed it?
Li Youfu: I developed the system that allows us to produce Chinese medicine
and herb prescriptions. I am the owner of such a company and am responsible
for all aspects in that firm.
Yu Xin: When did you begin learning traditional Chinese medicine?
Li Youfu: At first, I learned traditional Chinese medicine through self-study,
just like I was able to enter the martial arts Masters Degree program without
having taken lower level classes.
Yu Xin: Does it have any connection with martial arts?
Li Youfu: Yes, martial arts and traditional Chinese medicine are linked.
Because I practiced martial arts in my youth, I became curious and wanted
to know about Point Press. I read books on acupuncture, and memorized all
the acupuncture points. When I was in my twenties, I became aware that acupuncture
was for curing illnesses, so I began to look for traditional Chinese medicine
teachers to learn acupuncture. That was during the Cultural Revolution, everything
was chaotic. Even if you fell ill, doctors would rarely treat you. There
was hardly anyone who felt responsible for society. I gradually became more
learned in the acupuncture healing method. Some students would come to me
when they became ill, and I would treat them with acupuncture.
Yu Xin: It was effective?
Li Youfu: Yes, it was very effective. When I studied for the martial arts
Masters Degree, I took some traditional Chinese medicine courses. I studied
the channel theory, electroencephalography and tested methods using channels.
This was helpful for writing my thesis. This is how I stepped into the
traditional Chinese medicine discipline.
Yu Xin: Your traditional Chinese medicine skills rely on your martial arts
foundation. For example the direction of the energy channels in oneós body,
does it relate to this?
Li Youfu: Yes, they are related. Martial arts, traditional Chinese medicine
and Qigong belong to the same family and work in conjunction with each other.
They are all part of the traditional Chinese culture, and they have the
same fundamental root.
Yu Xin: Oh, you are saying that these disciplines are closely linked? That
leads me to the assumption that you can tell many miraculous stories about
curing illnesses with traditional Chinese medicine?
Li Youfu: Yes. I also was awarded a traditional Chinese medicine Masters
Degree. I continued my studies until I graduated with a traditional Chinese
Yu Xin: Oh, a traditional Chinese medicine Ph.D.?
Li Youfu: Actually, I continued my self-study, put it into practice and
obtained the degree at the same time.
Yuxin: Mr. Li Youfu, you are so remarkable. Given all you have achieved,
could you share some examples about treating illness through traditional
Chinese medical science?
Li Youfu: Traditional Chinese medical science theory calls for righteousness
and requires dispelling the evil. This means, improving a human bodyós ability
to fight illness. One does not rely too much on medicine, anything external.
What Ióm saying here is that it is very important to gain a healthy body,
so one can resist illness. At that time, I was invited to Russia to lecture
at the Traditional Chinese Medical Science Center of the Russian Science
Institute. There was a four-year-old girl, who had leukemia, a cancer that
damages the bodyós blood cell producing ability. She came to see me when
I was treating patients with traditional Chinese medicine. This little child
had not been treated with the acupuncture technique. She was emaciated. Though
she was very good-looking, she had no energy, as her illness was in an advanced
stage. She had her blood tested, and the results showed that out of twenty
test results eighteen were abnormal. Only two of the test results turned
out normal. Her health condition was life threatening.
Yuxin: Yes, her disease was beyond cure.
Li Youfu: She shared that the doctors had said that there was no cure for
her condition. She asked me whether I could cure her. I said I could try.
I thought that I could help her. So I used the ear acupuncture on her. I
used a kind of traditional Chinese medicine seed and applied it to the different
acupoints of her ears. I treated her for two months. When she had her blood
tested again, there were eighteen items normal and only two were abnormal.
Yuxin: It turned out to be the opposite.
Li Youfu: Yes, the opposite. After another two weeks of treatment and after
a total of two and a half months of treatments she had returned to health.
The last testing showed no abnormalities. She continued with the treatment
for a while and her family was very happy. This little child had returned
to health and her complexion kept improving, She had gained back her physical
Yuxin: Well, you used ear acupuncture? The result was achieved through ear
Li Youfu: That is a traditional Chinese treatment method.
Yuxin: Besides ear acupuncture and needle acupuncture, what other methods
did you use?
Li Youfu: I used traditional Chinese medicine.
Yuxin: You employ traditional Chinese medical science and traditional Chinese
Li Youfu: After I immigrated to the United States, I treated a couple that
wanted to have children. Although they had tried everything possible, they
still could not have a child. Finally they came to me. They wanted to see
whether traditional Chinese medicine would help? I suggested that she first
return to physical health. I thought that a motherós body is just like soil.
When the soil is fertile and normal, is exposed to sunshine and nutrients,
it can produce plants and flowers. After I treated her for a while they
had a baby, a baby boy that was very cute.
Yuxin: Well, when did this happen?
Li Youfu: That is several years ago, in the United States.
Yuxin: In the United States?
Li Youfu: I will share one more story. An American asked me to treat his
lower back pain. During treatment and checking his pulse, I told him that
you have severe liver problems. I prescribed a traditional Chinese medicine
which properties relaxed his liver and Qi, since there was great pressure
in that area. He needed to relieve this pressure, so I prescribed rest to
help him become tranquil. I also applied acupuncture. He too recovered.
Finally, he told me that he was told by doctors practicing western medicine
that his liver had failed and he needed a liver transplant. After my treatments
he went for a physical check-up. He was told that that he no longer needed
a liver transplant.
Yuxin: You are truly remarkable. You just mentioned that you treat by touching
the acupuncture points and that you also are proficient in acupuncture treatments.
Your famous teacher also taught you how to treat with the acupuncture technique?
When you treated patients, did you use it?
Li Youfu: I once it used to save someone by touching the acupuncture points.
It was in Beijing, where we were doing qigong research. We had a patient
who was very sick. This personós legs were injured, but there were no broken
bones. He was paralyzed. They brought him and asked me to have a look. After
examining him I found that this personós meridians were blocked. Thatós
why he couldnót move. This condition had existed for several days and he
was in serious condition. I used the method that unblocked his acupuncture
points. His legs were injured. He had gong hunting in the mountains and
hurt his legs. So I unblocked his acupuncture points. Well, he then could
walk and he walked home right away. He could walk and jump as well.
Yuxin: So, after looking at him you knew that his acupuncture points were
Li Youfu: Yes, they were blocked. Once the acupuncture points were blocked
he could no longer walk. In traditional Chinese medical science, the touching
of the acupuncture points result in miracles.
Yuxin: Any other such miraculous stories?
Li Youfu: One of my patients, a Chinese pastor, 58 years-old, who resided
in the United States, used to be of good health. He had a stroke and was
taken to the Caesar Hospital in Los Angeles, located in Hollywood. This
hospital is very famous for performing cerebral surgery. The doctors could
not cure him and said that there was no cure. They put him in intensive care
and asked him to prepare for his funeral. Actually what they asked him that
he gave them permission to pull the life-supporting respirator, and stop
all medications and treatments that kept him alive.
Yu: What was wrong with him?
Li: He had suffered cerebral hemorrhage. His family contacted me through
a friend of mine. They asked if I could help him. I said that I could give
it a try. The situation was highly critical. I didnót have time to think
about it and went to the intensive care unit. I said that I was the patientós
friend, so they allowed me to see him. I used acupuncture. After I was done,
I left immediately.
A few days later, his doctor diagnosed him again and said that he was better
and his chances to survive had improved. His family was very touched. After
some time he was transferred from intensive care to a regular room. When
the doctors suggested to pull the life-support system, his wife refused
to sign the paperwork. His wife said: ǒAs long as there is some kind of chance,
I will not give up.ō After he was transferred to a regular room, I continued
with my treatments. The hospital officials did not object to my treating
him. Then, after his condition improved further, he was transferred to a
rehabilitation center. Then, after some time, his many problems disappeared,
all tubes were removed and he could sit and stand up without problem.
Yu: Wow, thatós truly amazing!
Li: Chinese medicine is very precious. It can achieve something that cannot
be achieved with modern science when it comes to the human body.
Yu: Mr. Li, can you tell us the location of your clinic in Los Angles?
Li: Itós at Lolahen.
Yu: I suggest our audience go to see Mr. Li, if you have any health problems.
Li: Thanks. Weóll see how we can help you.
Yu: Chinese medicine doctors of the past, such as Hua To, Bian Que, Li Shizhen,
possessed supernatural abilities. By looking at people, they were able
to tell where peopleós diseases reside. Mr. Li possesses not only superior
healing, but also miraculous clairvoyance abilities.
Yu: Besides what you just told us, the stories about using Chinese medicine
to treat illnesses, we heard that you also are clairvoyant. Do you use that
to treat illnesses?
Li: I taught at a university after graduating with a Masterós degree in
martial arts. Then, I was offered a research associate position in an institute
in Beijing. I was asked to research traditional Chinese medicine. Besides,
I also researched qigong. During chance meetings with others, we exchanged
what we had learned, things that had been passed down in secret. I learned
Yu: What is tele-diagnosis?
Li: It is different than teleportation. Tele-diagnosing results when I can
feel the other partyós illness through my palm. First, when we face each
other, without touching the pulse, I extend my hand towards the person.
I can feel the illnesses emanating from different parts of a body. In Beijing,
such as at the Ethnicity Research Institute, Beijing Shijitan Hospital,
262 Hospital, Motor Engineering Department of Qinghua University, and other
many places, I performed live diagnosis. There were either 10 people or
even up to 100 people. After a period of conventional diagnosis, it was
proven that my diagnosis was correct.
Yu: Does it have anything to do with the martial arts youóve been practicing?
Li: Yes, of course. Later this ability developed to other stages. For example,
I could see a personós prior life.
Yu: I think our audience is interested in this topic as well.
Li: Well., to explore humanós supernormal abilities, Mr. Qian Xuesen from
the China Human Body Scientific Research Association founded this research
association. There was a Human Body Scientific Research Institute affiliated
with this research association, where I was hired as a research associate.
To carry out my research, I invited some people who had the supernormal
ability of teleportation. I began to us my supernormal abilities on some
people. I saw scenes from their previous lives. Then I asked them to also
view the peopleós prior lives. Without sharing with them what I had seen,
the answers they provided agreed with what I had seen. This happened quite
I found out that reincarnation truly happen, but I didnót share my findings
with anyone else. I thought, if this were to be revealed by someone, for
the sake of showing off oneós supernormal ability, one could use this ability
to the disadvantage of others. I couldnót get involved in that. I am sure
I have this ability. So, I thought of some things that would be good to know.
I wanted to find out why people come to this world? Why do we have previous
lives? It shocked me. This was my starting point. Later I began to cultivate,
this is where it got started.
Yu: You were mentioning that you are able to see peopleós past and current
lives, and this ability had arisen from your martial arts abilities.
Li: Yes, this is related.
However, even a prestigious martial arts master worries. As his martial
arts level rises, his supernormal abilities materialize. The more such abilities
emerged, the more questions come to mind. Therefore, he was trying to look
for the answers why life exists.
Yu: When you realized that you had supernormal ability, you began to look
for a why, whatós the deepest thing about a human?
Yu: Why human has past lives? You are accomplished in martial arts. You
were just looking for a deeper reason, as you just said, I want to cultivate,
which brings up a new topic.
Mr. Li, you are such a well-known person in either martial arts or Chinese
medicine circles. You are such a famous person. After you became a famous
person, a popular master in either field, how come you decided to give up
all worldly goods and chose to start from scratch and become a qigong disciple?ō
Li: Through Tele-diagnosis, I came to realize that the substance, the substance
defined by human thought can’t explain many phenomena. Therefore, I thought
doing some further research would bring answers. So, I became an Associate
Professor of Martial Arts at Shanxi University and associate researcher
at the Beijing Chinese Medicine Institute.
Then, I went abroad. I immigrated to the United States. After I came here,
I wanted to find answers to what confused me about Buddhism or Daoism. Ióve
read many Buddhist scriptures, also Taoist works, I had tried many different
ways of cultivation, and I had also endured lots of hardships, but I still
came up empty handed. I listened to many Masters. In addition, many people
working in religions are keen on money, as they lacked the true essence of
Yu: When you went to look for these Master, to ask those famous Masters,
have you felt that for some reason, they are missing the theory part?
Li: Itós hard to explain, I was looking into each religion, even western
religions. After I finished my studies, I became very worried, because I
had no way of finding a true Master. In May 1996, by coincidence, I had
the opportunity to come closer to my goal. At that time, there was a singer
— Mr. Guan Guimin from Mainland China. He came to the US to perform, and
he advertised in the newspaper. He also gave out his phone number. When
he was in Beijing, at that time I was doing human body scientific research
and research on qigong and as he was my good friend, I called him. We met
and had a good chat.
He understood that I was very interested in cultivation. Then I told him
that my long-term goal was to emigrate from China to the United States.
He told me, ǒYou can stop searching any further.ō He continued, ǒI just
read Zhuan Falun. He talked to me about Falun Gong openly. I wanted to read
this book. Later, I found a copy of Zhuan Falun. I read it read through the
entire book without stopping.
Then I discovered that every answer I was looking for was discussed in this
book, such as why people reincarnate, why the concept of matter is completely
different than before, why people possess the ability of clairvoyance or
Tele-Diagnosis, and other such matters. Everything related to internal cultivation,
such as martial arts and internal qigong practice. This book not only told
me about this cultivation method but also was also spoke of very high-level
The book covers all subjects asked by humans. How come humans can have a
heavenly circuit, humans can have abilities, cultivate, even things such
as reincarnation, how should people live, whatós going on in religions,
When others tell you the truth, they are giving you something precious.
As to the person who wants to learn, must learn it with a sincere heart.
After I read the book, I was moved to tears. I kept thinking: Wow, my life
is settled! The thing I want to obtain, the theory that I want to understand
is all included in it. It also exceeds things that I can imagine and want
to obtain. The mystery of the universe, mystery of human lives are all included
in it, therefore, I decided to start practicing Falun Gong right away.
Yu: So suddenly you found a Falun Gong book, and you feel that this is what
you are looking for, correct?
Yu: But there are some people who donót understand it at all.
Li: At that time, I was 48 years old, I taught as a professor in over 50
universities at home and abroad. Therefore, no matter what I read, to be
honest with you, not because I am not being humble enough, I understand
all that is said. I understand the connotation and what the book is telling
us. No matter what, I will cultivate, I must follow Teacherós requirements
and hope that Teacher is accepting me into the practice. I canót cheat myself?
Then what Ióm trying to understand is what is human life and the universe.
After I read Zhuan Falun, I was wondering if Ióm qualified to be a disciple.
Indeed, I think that as long as I keep reading this book and truly come
to understand everything, the results should be good.
Yu: Then have you quickly decided to start practicing Falun Gong, and become
a Falun Gong practitioner?
Li: Yes, I want to be a Falun Gong practitioner.
Yu: You had to start all over, then how do you deal with the martial arts
that youód been practicing before?
Li: Martial Arts I practiced before. Yes, in the beginning I didnót understand
what it meant to practice Falun Gong. I thought that I could still practice
Taichi or the Bagua standing exercise. After a few hoursó practice, I felt
very comfortable. Later I realized there was an issue my continuing with
other practices, because as soon as you start practicing, there is an issue
of ǒNo Second Cultivation Way.ō You must be dedicated to one way. Thatós
right, the martial arts that I practiced before I was dedicated to them,
I didnót practice other things at the same time. Later I read what Teacher
lectured about ǒNo Second Cultivation Way.ō This means that one can’t cultivate
in two schools at the same time, because the other school is also a cultivation
way. The difference is that the two are at different levels.
Yu: Then what did you do?
Li: Ióm determined to practice Falun Gong.
Yu: Then, what you practiced before you gave up, and no longer practiced
Li: Yes, I did, I donót practicing them any more.
Yu: Are you saying that all your fame and profit, everything that you gained
through painstaking efforts, everything, I mean you let go of everything
so easily. You decided, I wonót do it any longer; I just want to practice
Li: There is a proverb, ǒWhen a person hears the Dao in the morning, he
is willing to die in the evening.ō After I found this book, my thought was,
“as long as I can continue reading this book, continue with my cultivation
and understand what is said in the book, it is very good.” Plus we have
five sets of exercises; there are instructions on how to do them. Teacher
even came to the US to lecture. I could raise my questions to my Teacher.
He answered my question in person. His answers are completely beyond our
imagination. Because after you take a second thought about his answers,
you go, ǒWow, this answer is beyond us, beyond our human recognition. Therefore
I have no regrets, for giving up anything. I have no regrets at all.
Yu: Listening to you, I think we really need to give it a serious thought.
I have another question, you were saying just now that you have seen your
Teacher, and your Teacher answered your questions, made you feel very proud,
very honored. However, before you were the only disciple and both of your
Masters passed to you their knowledge in secret. Yet, have you ever had this
kind of feelings before?
Li: One of my teachers Chen Shengbu was practicing the pure Confucianism.
My second teacher Chen Jisheng was practicing Daoism. What I know is that
they practice the martial arts, so they covered a small portion of Daoism.
However, the ultimate goal for a personós life is to cultivate, to gain
elevation and to understand the theory of life. This is precious. Falun Dafa
is a Buddha Fa. By being able to cultivate in Dafa, I no longer need to
search ǔ I am content!
Yu: Then Iód like to ask you. Falun Gong is persecuted. Many Falun Gong
practitioners clarify the truth and hand out flyers on the streets and other
places. What are you doing?
Li: Same here.
Yu: Itós such a great deal for you to be able to let go your fame and do
Li: The evil CCP (Chinese Communist Party) led by Jiang Zemin persecutes
Falun Gong in such a cruel way. They have done the stupidest thing. Why?
If Chinese people were all to practice Falun Gong, China would become much
better, no matter who runs the country, the society would have been a wonderful
Li: Because everyone would become a good person. Falun Gong cultivates ǒTruth,
Compassion, Forbearance,ō which is to teach people to be good.
Yu: Mr. Li Youfu, you are such a great person, being able to quit everything
you practiced before, this is truly worth our giving it a serious thought!
Weóll wrap up now with Mr. Liós story.
Yu: After we heard Mr. Li’s story, should we think about whether we should
still worry about petty gain and loss? Time is up for our today’s program.
We truly appreciated your time; well see you next time!